It's really interesting you say this - last year I was at a cosmetics counter and was approached by a woman who looked around 30. As well as bad nutrition. We found no direct relationship between either RBP4 mRNA or plasma levels relative to adiposity or insulin resistance. I'd recommend that people with sensitive skin start with retinaldehyde, and use that for 6-12 months, then switch to retinoic acid. I used retinoids since I was 16 for acne, and later continued using them until about I was 22. tretinoin and isotretinoin belong to the same class, and taken orally share many effects (good or not). Its at best a correlation of two event, not to mention that the results are highly subjective. Key words: Obesity, Insulin resistance, Visceral and Subcutaneous Adipose tissue, Retinol-binding protein 4 ; Visceral fat lies deep within the abdominal walls and surrounds the organs. Even in the case of 50mg PO Isotretinoin the claimed side effects are very rare and debatable. Would be nice if you could make the links working, then I could look at it... You are the second person to note this now. Might exfoliation or other processes that stimulate cell turnover lead to accelerated ageing in the long term? Is this for the added, natural photo-protection, or is there anything else I didn't know of? Abstract Retinolâbinding protein 4 (RBPâ4) has been reported to be associated with visceralâfat accumulation and parameters of the metabolic syndrome (MetS). Most individuals have noticeable fat loss by the age of 13. I would not believe a statement like mine as it sounds so raw and emotional because this has just happened to me, but I am finding research to back it up. But sometimes you need word of mouth reviews as well. You think most Derms just lie when they sing the praises of it? I would post this question on Hot and Flashy blog. So far all I heard was I starting using tretinoin and years later (sometimes many many years) I think I look worse. This is not a drug that anyone should use without first understanding how to use it properly. Hmm, well at the same time there are many early to mid twenty year olds that use retinids that surely look their age, if not slightly older or slightly younger. for reference iâve been using it for acne from 16-18 so idk abt aging v much? I hope we can get more people to contribute. I mean over 7 years.... She could have had bad sleep habits and bad nutrition as well. So I thought they were new scars from the purge, it was weird because my skin had never scarred before. What's more, white tea seemed to reduce the expression of genes crucial to the growth of new fat cells. Its probably not a common reaction but it can happen. Even in the case of 50mg PO Isotretinoin the claimed side effects are very rare and debatable. I do suppose we could offset this potential effect with certain topicals like Volufilline, or Bio Bustyl. Vitamin A is a regulator of adipose growth. However, if we are on the subject of subcutaneous fat, she did have quite a large amount of that. It's as if the fat or the collagen collapsed or something. It took my eyes 4 months to return to normal which means overall it will take a while for them to return to norml. I would think that the amount of subcutaneous fat that she has would directly play a role as I know the less you have in the upper cheeks, the more your nasolabial folds will increase as I am sure this what you saw along with the subsequent hollowness around the eye area? Dryness and irritation are side effects usually caused by improper use. Look for: ⢠Subjective impressions of loss of fat stores ⢠Loss of fullness, loose or hanging skin, or hollow appearance Note: Age-related loss of subcutaneous tissue may confound findings I would go with where the body of evidence is rather than speculation and anecdotes. Plus, sometimes the small group included in the study might not have any issue whatsoever but we need to remember that it's a very small percentage compared to the rest of the world). . Biases can exist in both medical and cosmetic companies. Visceral fat transplantation into subcutaneous fat had no effects, further emphasizing specific properties of fat from different depots . But I will say I have never seen 22 year old who looked as old as she did. I don't know where the "thinned skin" thing is coming from. I drink 500-1000g of tomato juice (99% tomato kind) every other day. Zenity wrote: I have found another -apparently- enemy of fat: White tea Quote: For a 2009 study, researchers tested white tea's anti-obesity effects in a series of experiments on human fat cells. I was using 0.05% retinoic acid for almost a year under my eyes and it almost doubled the amount of wrinkles. Apparently, it seems that retinoids may actually CAUSE loss of subcutaneous fat. Tretinoin subcutaneous fat loss. Ask any questions, stay moisturized, and may your Purge be swift! But damn! If that can occur with accutane, then why can't it happen with topical tret. did you use it for 2 years or since that age? I checked my old photos and turns out if you look really carefully and zoomed in, those scars were actually already there. Lycopene also seems like a promising substance in general. I am only 29. However, at some point later during childhood or adolescence, affected individuals lose subcutaneous fat from the face. Many people would like to lose some weight and specifically, to get rid of stubborn cellulite. hopefully not. Community Forum Software by IP.BoardLicensed to: ImmInst.org, This is not recommended for shared computers. Personal comment.... Wrinkles are difficult to reverse, but a fat transfer, or fillers are comparatively easy to replace if lost. Cellulite is incredibly common in women and reducing it is a frequently-cited desire among women trying to lose weight. I wouldn't think retin-a would be able to cause fat loss as there is no way a cream could penetrate that far. What do you do to combat the sun sensitivity? Yes I suspect it does a good service in the sunlight of the summer. 6 months has passed since and they didn't get better. I trust it more than vitamin pills too. Can you get a working link to those articles? i havenât noticed this personally. I would say super! Remember me However, there are some that I would avoid like the plague ... and this is the first place. Another 2004 study showed that patients who immediately lost 30 pounds of subcutaneous fat during liposuction had no health benefit if they had a great deal of visceral abdominal fat, which stayed. 22! In Rbpâ/-mice, thermogenic programming of adipocytes and oxidative mitochondrial function are dramatically impaired in subcutaneous white fat, which renders Rbpâ/-mice more cold-sensitive. Also, discussion of white tea to be a possible culprit.......... Just when you think you have a fool proof routine, two of my favorite substances for skin care are crapped on and contradicted. Fair enough. Sorry for the emotionalness of this post. There are a number of dietary changes that help ⦠There are multiple distinct layers of subcutaneous fat compartments in face that act independently from one another; ... Retinol creams. I used them around the eyes for roughly month. I can't find any studies on this subject. So retinoids did nothing in that area. You need a definite plan if you want to lose fat and keep it off. But also, it seems that the MMPs that Retinoids slow the formation of, are actually crucial to skin remodeling and collagen formation. What exactly did you notice that pointed more to a collagen or elastin problem rather than a subcutaneous fat problem? Most likely reversible but it will take long and hard work. Comparing the claimed side effects of PO isotretinoin to topical tretinoin is a useless comparison. There are more cytokines in the visceral fat than there are in subcutaneous fat. I am fine since you all agree it is normal. This is not recommended for shared computers, Sign in anonymously Actually very worrisome. Visceral Fat. we talk about topical? These proteins are linked to low-level inflammation and inflammation is linked to many chronic diseases. I'm not sure that we even know that retinoids cause loss of subcutaneous fat. If you used it for that long how can you pinpoint it on a retinoid? Are you telling me you have never seen a 30 year old who is chubby in the face and looks 30? She specializes in mature skincare and has been on tretinoin for about five years (has tons of before and after pics) showing the improvement that tretinoin has made for her. Could red light therapy be the answer to effective cellulite reduction and fat loss? ; Visceral fat ⦠It ⦠Apparently, it seems that retinoids may actually CAUSE loss of subcutaneous fat. No I don't have a citation handy. Fast facts on losing subcutaneous fat: If the fat ⦠OP can you please post link(s) to said reports? Talks about using retinoids (a form of a retinoid)and decreased fat on an study performed on rats. Unsure if topical application would have the same or any impact impact. Some believe that the phenomenon of "thinned skin" after long term retin A use, of course, may be due to the epidermis being stripped fro the rapid sloughing off of skin cells. But everything has to be taken with a grain of salt and not always dismissed. Sometimes certain products don't work for everyone. But after tret the scars became deeper and even more obvious especially with makeup on. As the volume of visceral fat increases, so do levels of RBP4. Your photo definitely shows a loss of buccal fat.It does get smaller as we age - but it seems for you, it happened suddenly.There are no studies showing that Retin-A causes loss of facial fat loss in humans but...But there are some fascinating studies on how vitamin A regulates body fat.Retin-A is chemically closely related to Vitamin A, although not identical.There are several ⦠Researchers at Harvard have discovered that, compared with subcutaneous fat, visceral fat secretes more of retinol-binding protein 4 (RBP4), a molecule that increases insulin resistance. In this study, we investigated the relationship between RBPâ4, visceral fat, and the MetS during pronounced weight loss ⦠(My N=1 skin experiments). This evidence indicates that subcutaneous fat can protect the health of those who have a great deal of visceral fat. Reducing excessive subcutaneous fat reduces the stress on the fibrous compartments in the superficial skin and results in less obvious cobblestone appearance. Your body stores this ⦠There are some healthy fats, but visceral fat is not one of them. It is most likely collagen loss and not fat loss. I am distraught. Both weight gain and weight loss are driven by our hormones. Here are three tips that I have found work wonderfully. That would give us a little more to go on. Edited by Robert Ramirez, 30 July 2014 - 03:10 PM. Tell you what, I can say for sue that Nia24 products were a major help in restoring moisture there, that and any cream with ceramides in it to rebuild the layer of skin stripped from retinoid use. Don't add me to the active users list. Edited by elemerendero1, 20 September 2014 - 08:54 PM. A couple of posters from essentialdayspa mention this, Now this article is VERY interesting... Talks about using retinoids (a form of a retinoid)and decreased fat on an study performed on rats. Leg fat, particularly on the backs of the thighs, often takes the form of cellulite, dimpled fat deposits. But the no sunscreen thin could Easily have ben enough to put her into such a position, especially with repeat, exaggerated sun exposure. Doesn't make you think about your face? I will post studies I have read which back this up if you need them. While the study's authors suggest that white tea may be "an ideal natural source of slimming substances," scientists have yet to explore whether the tea could fight obesity when sipped (rather than administered directly to cells in a lab). Yeah, there can be other factors contributing to tretinoin fat loss, etc. Read more: 6 bizarre things that can make you fat â ⦠Click HERE to rent this advertising spot for AGELESS LOOKS to support LongeCity (this will replace the google ad above). (above is according to my notes, please use it as a starting point for your own research. Males: 900 mcg/day (3000 U/day) Females . Hi everyone, a few minutes ago I came across some posts on here saying that tretinoin caused them facial fat loss. Does it contain Retinoids or only Retinol? Lastly, it also releases more retinol-binding protein, which will contribute to more insulin resistance. The basic principle of losing subcutaneous fat via diet is to consume fewer calories than you burn. OBJECTIVE âRetinol-binding protein 4 (RBP4) is an adipokine that induced insulin resistance in mice, and high plasma RBP4 levels were associated with insulin-resistant states in humans. .Maybe this means we should use retinids less? To me this may mean that...........ok let me put it this way......... Let's say you use retin A. It's like if a cosmetics company launched a new eyeliner or brow serum and posted a report that stated it was 99% effective for every person. She looked at least 30! Best Fat Loss Method for Body Type 5 How on earth do you know retinoids caused the damage? Has anyone experienced this and confirmed it with their dermatologists? While subcutaneous fat loss might be the goal for people who want to fit into smaller clothes, losing visceral fat improves health. Notes: information above applies to oral intake of retinyl acetate @20,000 iu daily. Subcutaneous fat is stored just beneath the skin and can be pinched with your fingers. Oral isotretinoin is given at around 50 mg a day by mouth where is topical isotretinoin less than one milligram topical (assuming 0.1% w/w). If you are taking in high doses of Vitamin A, make sure to include zinc and iron. In this article, we show how research has shown that natural red light therapy can help you lose body fat, sculpt and tone your body, and yes, get rid of cellulite. Regardless of anecdotal evidence, the vast majority of evidence seems to indicate that tretinoin ( and pretty much all retinoids) are safe and effective. And it's easy and cheap way to get a massive amount of fruit/berries in my diet. It is arguably worse than wrinkles in this regard. To determine which fat compartments are associated with elevated RBP4 levels in humans, we measured circulating RBP4 in 75 healthy subjects and used state-of-the-art measurements of body fat distribution. Now I'm trying to remedy that by dermapen sessions and subcision. Retin-A is presented to be the traditional gold standard in dermatology when it comes to anti-aging, but I've seen an increased amount of reports of facial fat loss/hollownesss/sagging in young users. There does not seems to be any good evidence to suggest that retinoids cause loss of subcutaneous fat. Was just reading further into this forum. Retinoids have been used to lessen fat deposits in skin before, according to my reading, such as cellulite. I mean to me, this seems quite interesting. I went through a purge when I start using tret, and once my skin had settle down I notice a few box-scars emerging when I never had one before. The most aptly named fat type, essential fat is required for good health. Nothing seems to fix the problem. While simultaneously wearing a good sunscreen daily. Results showed that white-tea extract prompted fat to break down in existing fat cells. It also mentions Vit A ingested leads to decrease body adiposity: Another reference about the use of Vit A topically to decrease fat (used to treat cellulite): Stap me, I think I am removing an aging spot. Oral isotretinoin is given at around 50 mg a day by mouth where is topical isotretinoin less than one milligram topical (assuming 0.1% w/w). No I am not. In this study, we measured retinoid levels and analyzed the expression of retinoid homeostatic genes associated with retinol uptake, esterification, oxidation, and catabolism in subcutaneous (Sc) and visceral (Vis) mouse fat tissues. That would be good I think. There does not seems to be any good evidence to suggest that retinoids cause loss of subcutaneous fat. This is relevant because loss of subcutaneous fat in the upper face makes the person look older. It's a pretty easy way to break the kilogram per day barrier when it comes to vegetables. But they were so tiny and minuscule that other people and myself never noticed them. Peer reviewed articles are great! People looking to lose weight may start embracing the winter months after a new study found cold temperatures and increased vitamin A encourage fat burning. The skin was very irritated during the first 2 months of usage it was exeteremely dry during the next 4 and I stopped using the creme as I was scared by new wrinkles, which appeared overnight. Is it true? Several people have reported reduction in facial fat, eye issues, excessive facial hair growth and loss. There is nothing wrong with the way your nasolabial folds are. I would go with where the body of evidence is rather than speculation and anecdotes. Saying that you saw someone who uses retinoids but looks older then their biological age is not really useful. How do we lose the fat under our skin, the annoying, dimpling that we see. Yep the consensus is retinoids, when used correctly, have been proven for over 30 years. I was specifically looking for a facial cream without retinoids and on that topic she had told me that she had been using retinoids religiously for acne since she was around 15. Yeah, there can be other factors contributing to tretinoin fat loss, etc. Do not be too alarmed. I'm not at all against drugs, indeed! If this is true and it has this inhibitory effect on adipocytes, maybe we should look into a ⦠That could prove VERY bad long term. Hi ð I don't have the reports bookmarked, so I used Google to find some of the links. Fat distribution is normal at birth and during early childhood. I've had 3 treatments so far and the scars got better/raised by 20%-30%, so I'm hopeful. You avoid the sun a lot. I suspect they don't. I am so upset. Other times, people are more sensitive to something that others. Now, most of the leg fat is subcutaneous, which poses fewer long-term health concerns. Just give it a shot and give your skin a bit more time using those things and then report back. Saying that you saw someone who uses retinoids but looks older then their biological age is not really useful. Isotretinoin....aka Accutane, is not the same as using topical Tretinoin. The injection of biological agents into the subcutaneous tissue is done in order to promote local lipolysis (i.e., fact cell shrinkage from the breakdown of fat), and hopefully improve the appearance of cellulite. I read your posts on the other forum. In contrast, retinol stimulation in primary human adipocytes promotes thermogenic gene expression and mitochondrial respiration. Now my eyes look far worse than before and I will have to get more fillers. Maybe I should say something" Because wouldn't it be a step forward if we came to a concensus that retinoids could do such a thing? Its at best a correlation of two event, not to mention that the results are highly subjective. I am entirely calm and don't think it is a problem. But yes, lack of sunscreen could have been a factor. A good plan will ⦠By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. YOU ARE DOING HARM TO YOURSELF!In addition to the heavy side effects at the physical level (which I'm not sure they are completely reversible) causes of heavy side effects in the brain. Also, she very possibly did not use sunscreen that whole time, I can only imagine the amount of damage you would have using no sunscreen as well as retinoids (meaning the top layer of your epidermis is eventually gone). What you see is probably an extreme loss of a collagen. Losing subcutaneous fat will require diet and exercise â ideally a mix of strength training and cardio. Here it goes: https://www.realself.com/question/atlanta-la-retin-a-cause-fat-loss-please-answer, https://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/72441-retinoids-possibly-causing-loss-of-subcutaneous-fat/, https://www.realself.com/question/atlanta-la-gain-fat-my-face, http://messageboards.makemeheal.com/skin-care/can-retin-really-cause-subcutaneous-fat-loss-t166454.html, https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tapatalk.com/groups/iplandlaserdamagesupport/viewtopic.php%3ft=3957&=1, Can you please link me to the reports regarding the fat shrinking because I need to know from other sufferers if anyone recovered from this without surgery, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. That will give your skin a good chance to adapt to retinoid treatment. Both links not working. (I believe personal experience here, not scientific reports is the best method of determining tretinoin related issues. What You Need To Know If Youâre Trying To Lose Weight: The most common method of measuring subcutaneous fat levels is a skin-fold test in which a professional pinches your fat ⦠I don't get it? in subcutaneous fat. No, it doesn't. High (but not toxic) doses of vitamin A can cause significant reduction in adipose index, and a significant reduction in white adipose ('bad'fat). Well, she was 22 with a chubby face but looked 30. Is there any way to avoid this effect? Let's tackle this issue and try to come to a concensus. Retinoids have been used to lessen fat deposits in skin before, according to my reading, such as cellulite. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The amount of damage retinoids did to my skin is not repairable. YES. Adults who have too much subcutaneous fat and are overweight should get at least 150 minutes of exercise each week, according to the World Health Organization. Transplantation of subcutaneous fat into visceral or subcutaneous regions of mice exhibited improved insulin sensitivity, decreased body weight and total fat mass. But, shredding fat demands more struggle than that of gain. RDA. High serum Retinol Binding Protein 4 (RBP4) levels were associated with insulin-resistant states in humans. but the use of oral definitely no . What are the primary resources cited by these reports? Cookies help us deliver our Services. To determine which fat compartments are associated with elevated RBP4 levels in humans, we measured serum RBP4 and hepatic fat content (HFC), visceral (VFA) and subcutaneous abdominal fat area (SFA) in 106 subjects with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFLD) without known ⦠Even now after half a year since I stopped using retinoic acid the skin around my eyes looks somewhat yellowish and wrinkles haven't disappeared. I am 25 years old now and my skin is easily aged a good ten years. Quote: Topical retinoic acid and related vitamin A derivatives have been used to stimulate circulation, decrease the size of adipocytes and increase collagen deposition in the dermis. Regardless of anecdotal evidence, the vast majority of evidence seems to indicate that tretinoin ( and pretty much all retinoids) are safe and effective. Have a definite plan. She was 22 now. Comparing the claimed side effects of PO isotretinoin to topical tretinoin is a useless comparison. But, I do use retin A, and recently read about that and said, "Well many of us at longecity are using retinoids. Subutaneous Fat Loss Inspect and palpate areas where adipose tissue is normally present. In my country people have committed suicide, and I know a couple who have had (and maybe still have) psychological problems caused by isotretinoin. It also mentions Vit A ingested leads to decrease body adiposity: http://resources.met...03&size=largest Another reference about the use of Vit A topically to decrease fat (used to treat cellulite): http://www.spa20-20....s/541feat1.html. I think you are starting to freak out, seriously. This is in stark contrast to yo-yo dieting, which causes cellulite to worsen by repeatedly stretching and shortening collagen fibers in ⦠Good luck.). You are the second person to list this problem. If they are not from peer-reviewed scientific literature, I'd be suspicious of their validity. So yes, you should always be wary of using any products. Could you eleaborate as to why you believe this caused loss of that fat? Press J to jump to the feed. This happened to me on the first time of applying it. 700 mcg/day (2330 U/day) >18 years pregnant: 750-770 mcg/day (2500-2600 U/day) It's like if a cosmetics company launched a new eyeliner or brow serum and posted a report that stated it was 99% effective for every person. I think maybe people with different skin have different response to retinoids. I'm a little ⦠Very good. Retinol is a type of retinoid, which is made from vitamin A.Rather than removing dead skin cells as many other anti-aging and acne products do, the small molecules that make up retinol ⦠If this is true and it has this inhibitory effect on adipocytes, maybe we should look into a seperate topical? So I recommend everyone who starts using retinoids to be very cautious, they can devastate your skin. Eventually, fat loss extends to the arms, neck, chest and sometimes the upper abdomen. Essential fat is neither subcutaneous nor visceral.â (Donât worry, weâll dive into subcutaneous and visceral fat later on.) Honestly I don't disbelieve it. Tretinoin has been around a long time and is fairly well researched, both for acne and for anti-aging. Essential Fat. Described as retinol activity equivalent (RAE) 1 RAE = Retinol 1 mcg. So I have been reading very much. As I am SURE that preventing the loss of subcutaneous fat, is much more important to skin youth appearance than the inhibitory effect retinoids have on collagenase? So far all I heard was I starting using tretinoin and years later (sometimes many many years) I think I look worse. Both Sc and Vis depots were found to contain similar levels of all-trans retinol. I find this to be concerning, particularly when many doctors encourage people to begin usage at fairly young ages for the purpose of anti-aging. Lastly, you Could also use Emu oil, incredibly hydrating. If anything, how do you know retinoids did not prevent further damage that was going to happen as a result of your aging? 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